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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 2, 2011 5:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! Is it possible to not like this song?

http://www.archive.org/details/sci2001-08-01-dsbd.shnf

one of my favorite sci tunes

track 11, entitled Rollover, showcases all the individual talents of String Cheese Incident very very well. This is 16 minutes of yummy gooey cheese, that I don't see how any deadhead could not enjoy. Excellent solos throughout by Michael Kang, Bill Nershi, and keyboard wizard Kyle Hollingsworth (whose playing I much prefer to Brent's).

IMHO, SCI is the best jam band to come out of the '90s, with Phish being a close 2nd.

This entire show is top-notch Cheese. They do a very nice eyes as well. I love their dead covers.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 4, 2011 10:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! Is it possible to not like this song?

In a word, yes.

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Poster: He Live's Date: Nov 3, 2011 10:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! Is it possible to not like this song?

it's totally possible not to like it. i just don't get those guys at all -- and i know people that really like them,

but their appeal is a mystery, much like phish, and yes, the GD.

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Poster: questionoflife Date: Nov 7, 2011 3:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! Is it possible to not like this song?

SCI are good musicians, but I never really got hooked on any of their archive shows. They just feel a little too light and breezy for my taste - not enough gravitas to the music (though I admit I love Phish, about whom the same thing could probably be said). I especially feel that way about their Dead covers. Maybe I would feel differently if I actually saw them live.

That said, SCI is not the best jam band of the 90s. That, for my tastes, would be Jambay. I have yet to find an archive recording that really does them justice, but this one is not too shabby: http://www.archive.org/details/jambay1996-06-01

If you're a Jambay newbie, "Relentless Cactus" would be a good place to start. If you're already familiar with them and want to hear some truly crazy jamming, try "One Time". Enjoy!

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 2, 2011 6:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

sorry, but i couldn't even make it through more than 3 minutes of that garbage, how people can listen to that crap is beyond me, it's the dunkin donuts of jam music, so sterile and boring and artificial, and i realize it's just my take on it and whatnot, but the whole 'jam band' scene produces some of the most forgettable noise in the history of rock music; but i guess like every industry today, it serves the lowest common denominator, easily consumable, one band just like the next blending into a homogenous whole

spend your time with these instead:

Grails - Almost Grew My Hair

Sungrazer - Zero Zero

Mono - The Battle To Heaven

right now, the best live band on the circuit:

Thee Oh Sees - Block Of Ice

bonus track for fun

the Henry Chinaski's Ashtray - Hippies Are All Asshole

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 2, 2011 8:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

"and i realize it's just my take on it and whatnot"

You're right about that. Based on your generalized statements on jam music, you can't possibly expect me to take you seriously. Especially since you only listened to the first 3 minutes, which is before the song even takes off. Would you ever listen to the first 3 minutes of a 16 minute Dead song and make a comment about it? Fuck no. So why do you feel you can comment on this at all right now? Your pre-conceived notions obviously inhibit your ability to enjoy it, but please tell me what makes SCI garbage? And please try making a rational argument. Saying it's the dunkin donuts of jam music will not suffice.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 2, 2011 8:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

you are certainly correct in that listening to only 3 minutes of a 16 minute song isn't good science when it comes to a precise analytical review, but i know without any doubt that what exists beyond those first 3 minutes wouldn't in any way change my view; i can generally suss out the style/sound of a band from a 3 minute sample, and decide whether the music will fit my likes or dislikes; as for my embarking on a similar approach with the GD's music, well, it's a different animal, right? apart from Brent/Vince songs, i've pretty much listened to every song the band ever did, from most years up to '91

not that it needs sayin' but i respect the hell out of your reviews and comments regarding music, i just loathe 'jam bands'...

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 2, 2011 8:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

that's understandable. that's why we all have our musical preferences, and it's not easy to change those. i know what you're saying about sussing out the sound of a song, and based on your comments i don't think you would like the rest of the song. however, i think you might enjoy some of their other styles. also, if you continue listening, you will notice it changes musical styles several times throughout the song, sounding a bit shakedown-esque at times, with some very jazzy eyes-like moments as well. it jumps all over the place.

anyway, there's no point in trying to convince another about what we should like, but i think your initial reaction was a bit drastic, which is why i got a bit defensive. glad you enjoy the dead comments.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 2, 2011 9:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

Well, at least you didn't have to figure out what the lyrics mean.

;)

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Nov 3, 2011 5:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

ouch!

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Poster: user unknown Date: Nov 2, 2011 8:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

Though I enjoy SCI, I really prefer Railroad Earth. RRE is a little less "jam-grass" and a bit more Americana, but that suits my tastes better. Everyone's taste in music is a bit different and there are many who are turned off by anything that even hints at bluegrass. Contrary to what is bandied about on most internet music boards, not liking what I like doesn't make you the spawn of Satan, a total idiot nor a waste of oxygen. Hey recommend away. I'll listen and if I like it I'll tell you. But if I don't like it, I'll tell you that too. And I may not go into a detailed explanation trying to convert you to my way of thinking.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Nov 2, 2011 8:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

All sixteen minutes of it were awful,it sounds like music accompanying a cult induction,and the Eyes of the World was so bad as to make a 94' Dead version sound brilliant.They suck on many levels.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 2, 2011 9:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

"it sounds like music accompanying a cult induction"

"the Eyes of the World was so bad as to make a 94' Dead version sound brilliant"


criticizing music in this way is so childish. please elaborate. these are not rational, sensible arguments, and they make you come off as unintelligent.

also, although i appreciate much of your input here and agree with many of your comments, i must say i lost a lot of respect in your musical opinion when you made this comment:
"I think John Kahn is a terrible musician"


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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Nov 3, 2011 10:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

I'll express my opinion as I see fit,regardless of your overly sensitive guidelines. As for your respect level concerning my opinions,I'm not going to lose any sleep.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 3, 2011 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

"egardless of your overly sensitive guidelines"
not overly sensitive. just rational. all i'm saying is if you're going to criticize music, you can't make any bit an argument for your case when you speak in terms such as you did.

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Nov 2, 2011 8:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

well i gave the whole song a listen and what a waste of time.
lots of fluff.no grit or emotion to the song.great if your into that kind of thing.imho that's not jamming.oh well at
least bands like electric moon are roaming the planet and
making great music that is raw and powerful and forging ahead
into new musical territory with just a three piece band.

live from July 2nd of 2011
Electric Moon - Lost And Found Souls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLbOqipO3uM

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 2, 2011 8:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

i appreciate that you at least gave the whole thing a listen. but keep in mind, that is one song from their very vast and varied catalogue of music that covers bluegrass, rock, calypso, country, funk, jazz, latin, reggae, and psychedelia. rollover is not intended to have any grit or emotion. most of their music is very laid back, uplifting music, with not much gritty emotion. i seek emotion in other music, but sci is capable of making excellent music, and they are very talented musicians. i know it's not for everyone, but if you are familiar enough with their musical catalogue, you cannot deny their talent.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Nov 2, 2011 9:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

I have to agree with the majority about "Rollover". It is not the best example of the talent of SCI. For what I consider to be a much better representation you might try a little of the 7/27/07 show from the Greek(SCI was the "headliner")
http://www.archive.org/details/sci2007-07-22.sci2007-07-22.flac

and if you want to hear the real "meat and potatoes from that show...
Hot Butter Rum String Band(now known as simply Hot Butter Rum...they opened the show)...
http://www.archive.org/details/hbr2007-07-22.U873Rsc.flac16f

And then sandwiched between Rum & Cheese was Railroad Earth(they stole the show)...
http://www.archive.org/details/rre2007-07-22.AKG481-ACM-PMD671

Nershi led SCI was much better than Kang led.

And now Nershi is playing with one of the best bass players(with a couple of notable exceptions..Lesh being one) touring today, the incomparable Johnny Grubb(late of RRE).

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Nov 3, 2011 6:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

"Nershi led SCI was much better than Kang led."

Couldn't agree with this statement more. Kang pushed the band in a terrible direction imo - injecting trace and techo influences into their sound which I find repetitive and of little musical value other than to 'just dance.' (Just listen to Kang's side project EOTO - unlistenable - again this is imo.). By the end of their "retirement" in 2007 i was getting pretty disillusioned with them.

I think since they've come back it seems like they've backed off of this sound a bit and moved towards more of a compromise. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised in December when I see them in Chicago.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 4, 2011 7:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

EOTO is the side project for Cheese drummer and percussionist Michael Travis and Jason Hann. Free form electronica-percussion trance dance jam stuff.

Particularly icky for old guys like me. Barely acceptable after a dozen Sierra Nevadas.

Pangea with Chris Berry is Kang's side effort. Much better than EOTO IMO.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Nov 7, 2011 12:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

I stand corrected. I guess I don't know as much about these guys as GD, lol.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Nov 3, 2011 8:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

I actually like SCI, but am not totally sold . But sure like the songs/bands you linked .
Any live shows on the Archive you would recommend ?

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 3, 2011 7:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

glad you liked the links, those bands, and others of a similar vein, imo, push the envelope way more than the gang of 'jam bands' that populate the pages of the music press; fortunately, you can find quite a lot of good stuff here at the archive

one show that i've been listening to a lot lately is here:

http://www.archive.org/details/mono2010-03-21.Nijmegen.flac16

it won't be for everyone that's for sure, but i highly recommend it; i haven't had the time to check out much of what is available here for Mono, but if you come across anything that grabs your attention, definitely let me know

http://www.archive.org/details/Mono

not a whole lot of Sungrazer on the archive, but this set is excellent:

http://www.archive.org/details/Sungrazer_2011-06-10

as is this set in 24bit

http://www.archive.org/details/Sungrazer2011-02-20.aud.flac24

if you're into really long extended jams, check out The Machine (not the pink floyd tribute band btw)

http://www.archive.org/details/TheMachine_2010-11-26.flac16

i haven't checked out any of these Rotor shows, but tigerbolt is a fan and highly recommends their music

http://www.archive.org/details/RotorMusic

if you're preference is for bands that are perfect and precise and 'safe' and embody the spirit of skim milk and play nice corporate venues with clean rest rooms then i'm probably not the person to give you recommendations, but if the following type of music grabs your attention...

Thee Oh Sees - Contraption/Soul Desert

Rocket From The Tombs - Ain't It Fun

TelStar Sound Drone - I Bunkeren

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Nov 4, 2011 6:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! utter dreck

Thanks, I will dig in . Like I say, like SCI, but don't love them . Phish, I think is the king of the heap, I really like Trey's playing, but I don't LOVE them . I tried .
I sorta like goofy Moe, but you can only go so far . Like RREarth, etc.
I my post on the Mermen ( who I do love) I point out my disappointment that most "jambands" are sort of limited . Very little that has that "psychedelic feel .
But I like all kinds of stuff, so I give 'em a listen .
Thanks again for taking the time to do this .

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Nov 3, 2011 8:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! Is it possible to not like this song?

My biggest issue with this and just about all the current "jam" bands is the complete lack of real melody. Its all just "world" rhythm with some vocals pasted on top. Its all the same thing after 3 minutes.

Just having musical talent is not enough, there needs to be pathos...and lots of it!

Emotion, grit, and most importantly, unpredictability are what separate "tripping" music from boring jam bands.

I want my peace disturbed by the music. Scare me and make me question the substance of reality! PLEASE! Somebody already!

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Poster: Phlesh Wound Date: Nov 3, 2011 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! Is it possible to not like this song?

String Cheese Incident:Grateful Dead::Kenny G:John Coltrane

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 3, 2011 9:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! Is it possible to not like this song?

HA! I agree with Pat Metheney

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 3, 2011 8:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! Is it possible to not like this song?

rd -

I like 'em too.

Others are entitled to their opinion - and for the most part somebody else's opinion doesn't matter much to me. If I like a tune I don't anyone else to validate it with purple prose about "grit", "emotion", or "feeling" (Note to all - I am not in any way calling out the poster(s) who used these words in response to rd)

I do think you could have cited a better show and certainly a better tune than Rollover - it really is kind of fluffy hippie elevator music.

This one was much, much better IMO

http://www.archive.org/details/sci2004-10-23.flac16

And this one with Railroad Earth was phenomenal - as was the entire run at Cuthbert. Seeing this run live was amazing and the recordings in LMA don't quite capture the energy and vibe of a great three days.

http://www.archive.org/details/sci2006-08-06

I drive a Denali and get 18 miles a gallon.

Your mileage might vary......so drive on over to Baskin-Robbins and pick which of the 31 you like best and don't worry about the freak next to you with two scoops of mint chocolate chip-bubble gum

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Poster: Daddy D Date: Nov 5, 2011 10:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: STRINGY CHEESY GOODNESS! Is it possible to not like this song?

I, too, listened to the entire song & wasn't impressed. 100 YEAR FLOOD from the show Mando recommended http://www.archive.org/details/sci2006-08-06
was much better.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Nov 2, 2011 6:23pm
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String Cheese Incident sucks donkey balls...

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Nov 3, 2011 6:17am
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One thing you did get correct is that SCI is better than Phish.... but then again the Partridge Family has more talent than Phish.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Nov 3, 2011 9:34pm
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hahaha!